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【170301】[情报消息]3.1 QA 圣彼得堡造船厂的工作机制

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 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:26:57 | 显示全部楼层
Based on what have you come up with Minotaur? Is she a Super Tiger (based on real Tiger)?
There are sources in Friedman's book on british cruisers. Project Minotaur was considered by brits as an alternative to american CL-144 Worcester class cruisers. But as a result of designing for british weapons systems project turned out to be too expensive and wasn't carried on, also characterisics weren't batter than american counterpart's. Mark XXV turret was intended exactly for this project. But after Minotaur was cancelled Tiger was born as a cheaper alternative.
你们是如何编出米诺陶的?她是老虎级1945的变体吗?
我们是根据Friedman一本关于英国巡洋舰的书造出来的。米诺陶计划被认为类似于美国的伍斯特级巡洋舰。然而由于英国的火炮系统设计成本过高而放弃这一计划。马克XXV型火炮就是为弥诺陶设计的。而后较为便宜的老虎级被建造出来。
What about Neptune's DP turrets? And their number of torpedo launchers?
Project is also from Friedman's book. Was supposed to be a further development of Town-class. Also wasn't carried on.
海王星上的两用炮塔呢?鱼雷发射管数量也不对啊!
海王星仍然是从Friedman的书里找到的。海王星本来是town级的下一代船,然而并没有造出来。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:27:08 | 显示全部楼层
Why have you draw Nikolai I the way she is in the game now? With forecastle and 300mm belt. In life she was "simpler".
为什么尼古拉游戏里不但有艏楼(位于舰首和舰尾的舱室)还有300mm的装甲!这不真实!
Nikolai's belt is 270 mm, as in factory blueprints. Forecastle was considered as one of the measures to prevent excessive flooding of bow. It wasn't implemented IRL due to metal deficit and increase in construction time. To make this ship different in architecture from other (Sevastopols - tr) we went for this assumption.
现实中尼古拉装甲只有270mm。艏楼是防止艏艉进太多水。然而现实中因为毛子技术不够发达,没办法实现这一设计。但是我们为了把尼古拉和其他船区(比如塞瓦斯托波尔号)分开,我们就这么干了。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:27:26 | 显示全部楼层
What's your opinion on japanese shipbuilder Yuzuru Hiraga's works?
One of the greatest engineers of his time, he left a very rich archive after him. A couple of projects were advanced for his time.
你怎样评价大和的设计者平贺让?
可以说他是很厉害的工程师,他设计的船都很先进的!
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:27:37 | 显示全部楼层
How did you design IJN T10 CA Zao?
We had to design gun from scratch, because there weren't 203/55 guns in Japan. Make internal ballistics calculation and check pressure. As a prototype we took Tone, to be exact - her theoretical blueprint and ship armouring approach.
你们如何设计藏王的?
就拿炮来说,我们得先编一个出来,计算一些轨迹之类的,因为日本没有55倍口径的203炮。我们使用利根的图纸作为基础来设计藏王的装甲之类的其他部分。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:27:45 | 显示全部楼层
Should we call ships which have a full set of construction blueprints, but haven't been launched "paper ships"?
More correctly they should be called "not realized", because those are very devepped and thoroughly designed projects. From materials point of view they are sometimes better than a real ship (to implement in game - tr), but those ones are exeptions. ("paper ships" with full set of documentation - tr)
即使有全套历史图纸的船也会被称为 “图纸船” 吗?
准确来说,这种船应该被叫做 “未实现的”,因为这类船已经被设计的相当完善。从游戏角度来讲,相比建出来的船,我们更喜欢这种 “未实现” 的船。然而这种有全套图纸却没有建出来的船很少见。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:28:11 | 显示全部楼层
Do you dabble in ship model building? For how long? Which ships have been commisioned in "home shipyard"?
I have been doing this for a long time, from school. I've made North Carolina, Hood and Yamato. In the process are Richelieu and KGV. Have won Russian Championship in ship models with Yamato model.
你们会在设计游戏内的船前造出模型来测试吗?
我个人一直在做模型,我曾经做过北卡,胡德还有赢过奖的大和。现在正在做的有法国的黎塞留号战列舰和英国的乔治五世战列舰。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:28:24 | 显示全部楼层
How do you explain pagoda superstructures on japanese ships from a shipbuilding point of view?
Development of target designation and fire control systems.
你怎么看日本战列舰的违章建筑(ahhhhhh歪果仁管那玩意叫佛塔)
那个是用来安置更好的火控,更好的视野之类的作用。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:28:46 | 显示全部楼层
Why did americans used lattice masts for their first dreadnaughts and superdreadnaughts? Why they were later abandoned?
Because fire control mechanisms and AAA(Brownings, to be exact - tr) were placed high above. Combined they have a considerable mass (and lattice masts allow to save weight). Also they wanted to make masts less succeptible to enemy fire. Also it was considered that they'll reduce vibrations from the hull. After all, they showed to be a complicated construct and the choice was made to make tall superstructures which allowed to place more platforms (for AAA, for example) and were sturdier and protected personnel better.
为什么一开始的美国战列舰上的桅杆是网格状的(南卡),为什么后来又不用了?
一开始火控还有小机枪都被安置的很高,而且他们的重量也不轻,网格状的桅杆不但结实还很轻巧。网格状还更不容易被敌人击中,并且可以降低来自船体的颤动。然而毕竟网格状的结构很复杂,又考虑到需要在塔楼上加入更多的系统和机枪,也就弃用了网格状的桅杆。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:29:01 | 显示全部楼层
Whose archives are the hardest to work with? American, german, british, russian? Are there any peculiarities with working with archives in different countries?
As time has shown - all archives have their peculiarities. Comrades from historical-archive departments are working with them.
哪家的档案馆最难对付?美帝还是蛮子还是女王还是毛子?同各国的档案馆合作的时候都有啥独特之处吗?
时间已经证明了,各村的档案馆都有各自的臭毛病。好在我们有来自历史档案部门的同志来专门与他们合(B)作(B)kuma。
What archive materials are you most intrested in? Blueprints? Photos?
Blueprints, schemes, photos, various text documents - everything has a lot of necessary and important stuff for work (to work with).
你们对哪种档案材料最感兴趣?设计图?照片?
设计图,计划。照片,各种文本文件----每一种都是必须且重要的玩意,值得去花时间研究。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:29:08 | 显示全部楼层
How are project and construction blueprints different?
Level of detail is different. Construction blueprints show materials ships will be made of. Technical project blueprints show general idea of them. Preliminary design shows ship in general.
计划工程和施工设计图的区别在哪?
细节程度上有区别。施工设计图告诉你这船得怎么造,技术项目图展现的是一个项目工程的大意,预备设计则是表现的是这个船的大体是啥样的。
How reference conficts are handled? For example, photo and blueprint don't match.
Paper ships usually don't have such issues, because there are no photos of them. Usually there are photos for dismantled and incompleted ships.
参考资料自相矛盾了怎么处理,比如说如果照片和设计图不一致的话?
活在纸上的船就不用考虑这个,没有实物照片怎么打架不是?一般也就是被解体或者未完成的船会有照片来一起参考。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:29:14 | 显示全部楼层
Have you contacted with other historians during work? With war veterans? With military specialists?
I have contaced some historians by correspondens. But personally I do it on very rare occasions.
你们会在工作中联系接触历史学家,参战老兵或者军事专家们么?
我曾经在记者的帮助下接触过一些历史学家,不过就个人而言我一般很少这样做。
A great amount of work has been done gathering references, especially in case of not realized projects. Don't you want to write a book or a series of articles?
If such book will be in demand - why not?
在收集相应资料的过程中你们做了大量的工作(尤其是那些最终未成舰的计划工程),有打算写一个系列相应的文章或者说出本书么?
如果有人愿意看的话,为什么不(熊之微笑)?
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:29:23 | 显示全部楼层
Which ship service history is the most memorable for you?
Battleship Marat
哪艘船的服役史最让你难忘?
大战舰马拉号,妥妥的。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:29:30 | 显示全部楼层
Are you gather materials for carrier-bases aviation as meticulously as you do for ship?
Other people are working on carrier aviation.
你们收集舰载机的资料有和搞船的一样用心么?
有别的人专门弄这个事的。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:29:38 | 显示全部楼层
Conversing with developpers you learn a lot of unique staff, which you can't neither in popular science nor in scientific publications dedicated to nautical themes. What do you think - why before you not a lot of people were so thourough in seeking techincal information about different projects?
Naval thematic isn't as popular in our country as it should be. In fact, our Navy history isn't properly described.
在与那些研发者的交流中你们知道了很多特别的东西,而这些是既不能在通俗科学读物,也不会在以航海为主题的科技出版物中看到的。你们怎么看这个问题--为什么在你们之前没有什么人能够这样深入的去探寻有关这些不同海军工程项目的技术情报资料呢?
关于海军这个话题,在我们国家并没有达到其应该达到的流行程度。事实上,我们的海军史表述的并非完全正确。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:29:44 | 显示全部楼层
Do you play games yourself? Which ones?
Rarely, don't have a lot of time for games. But the stuff we make for WoWs we always watch in action.
你们自己玩游戏么?玩的话玩啥?
很少玩,因为没什么时间。不过我们会一直关注我们自己给澡盆世界做的这些玩意。
Where do archive materials finding work begins?
By determing in which archive you have to search for materials.
寻找档案材料的活一般都是从哪开始的?
从决定在哪个档案馆的图纸堆里面找东西开始。
 楼主| 发表于 2017-3-2 22:29:50 | 显示全部楼层
Are there any cases where you have to find documentation for a ship, and it doesn't exist at all? What do you do then?
"There are. But we have ship theory, strength of materials, External and Internal ballistics Textbook and a lot of real-world prototype ships. It's never boring."
有没有这样的情况:你们得找有关一艘船的相关资料,然后根本毛都没的?这时候你们会怎么做?
这种事当然有的啊,不过我们有现成的舰船原理,材料强度,膛外膛内弹道学以及众多的存世的原型舰只,所以我们(XJB造船的时候)从来不会觉得无聊~
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